'Overseas' Vietnamese (Tiếng Việt 'hải ngoại')

[Tanyenbai]

Còn đây nữa! Count me in too! In fact, I am learning Chữ Nôm haha, that's how far back I am! This is my messy handwritten Chữ Nôm for this song: www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nKOcaQ6FDI

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/5972/48920603.png

Oh I ought to create a separate thread for Chữ Nôm but I am lazy now

don't be lazy! come on. I am sure you have more interesting stories to tell. 'Cause if you passed away, sadly, young people would not be informed

[english-learner]

This subject has been on my mind for ages. I've been reading a lot of writing from both Vietnamese overseas and Vietnamese in Vietnam. You would think that the Vietnamese language oversea would be "Westernized" but it's actually the opposite.

Washington = Hoa Thịnh Đốn
The United States = Hoa Kỳ
Afghanistan = A Phú Hãn
Canada = Gia Nã Đại
New York = Nữu Ước
Napoleon = Nã Phá Luân
Brazil = Ba Tây
Email = Điện Thư
Computer = Vi Tính
Local = Địa Phương
Long Distance = Viễn Liên

Còn nói đến nhạc thì nổi máu:

Nhạc Xưa: Mắt Biếc, Hai Vì Sao Lạc, Thành Phố Buồn, Giọt Lệ Đài Trang, Kiếp Cầm Ca, Đời Kỷ Nữ, Đôi Mắt Người Xưa, Linh Hồn Tượng Đá...v.v.

Nhạc Nay: Email Tình Yêu, Tôi Yêu Em Bằng Cả Con Tim, Tôi Và Người Ấy Em Chọn Ai, Số Phone Định Mệnh, Anh Là Người Tôi Yêu...v.v.

Các câu nhạc xưa như: Thành phố buồn, nhớ không em? Nơi chúng mình, tìm phút êm đềm
Chuyện tình của tôi, tan vỡ từ lâu rồi, tưởng không bao giờ còn nữa...
Khi biết em mang kiếp cầm ca, đêm đêm phòng trà mang tiếng hát cho mọi người...

Cả anh và người ấy em phải chọn một trong hai...
Anh gọi phone em cả tuần mà em trốn không bắt...

Computer : máy vi tính translated by Vietnamese living in Vietnam
Computer: máy điện toán translated by Vietnamese living in western countries

[Paddy]

Computer : máy vi tính translated by Vietnamese living in Vietnam
Computer: máy điện toán translated by Vietnamese living in western countries

Tùy người bác ạ. Có người dùng hẳn chữ computer luôn.

[english-learner]

Tùy người bác ạ. Có người dùng hẳn chữ computer luôn.

Người Việt trong nước hay ở nước ngoài cũng vậy có người dùng hẳn từ computer luôn.
Nhưng ở đây là nói về "dịch, translate" khi dịch thì họ dịch là máy điện toán (nếu không dùng từ computer). còn người Việt ở trong nước thì thường dùng từ vi tính, như đánh máy vi tính chẳng hạn.
Cũng có một số rất ít ngưởi trong nước dùng từ máy điện toán, nhưng số này không đáng kể.

[vietnam_rogue]

well , in vietnam we are still using lots of loan words . Loan words manily derived from chinese but you can still find out lots of loan words which are originally from french ,italian and also from other neighboring asian countries that make the language become more colourful and sound very mixed though. in addition ,as people locally use lots of slangs and their local dialects as well .

nowadays,Not only young people in every country but also the vietnamese who tend to use their own laguages [ slangs,or mixed language] which are created by their own group of people based on their mother tongue in both spoken and written language.

In vietnam ,Lots of our old vietnamese have been faded away or rarely used by people today because in many big cities which are being westernised we tend to use a lot of mixed words because people work or may see lots of Ads in english .e.g: em co the fax cho anh cai form do khong? or anh mail cho em chua ? to be honest i often use lots of mixed words like that.It's bad isn't it. I am trying to give it up.

In many bilingual countries such as : canada, america , singapore, hongkong,etc..people tend to use both english -chinese,vietnamese...in certain conversation.

it's good to adopt other's culture or to learn the language but we should not kill or abuse our own language buy using such language to much .







There also

[The Interpreter]

well , in vietnam we are still using lots of loan words . Loan words manily derived from chinese but you can still find out lots of loan words which are originally from french ,italian and also from other neighboring asian countries that make the language become more colourful and sound very mixed though. in addition ,as people locally use lots of slangs and their local dialects as well .

nowadays,Not only young people in every country but also the vietnamese who tend to use their own laguages [ slangs,or mixed language] which are created by their own group of people based on their mother tongue in both spoken and written language.

In vietnam ,Lots of our old vietnamese have been faded away or rarely used by people today because in many big cities which are being westernised we tend to use a lot of mixed words because people work or may see lots of Ads in english .e.g: em co the fax cho anh cai form do khong? or anh mail cho em chua ? to be honest i often use lots of mixed words like that.It's bad isn't it. I am trying to give it up.

In many bilingual countries such as : canada, america , singapore, hongkong,etc..people tend to use both english -chinese,vietnamese...in certain conversation.

it's good to adopt other's culture or to learn the language but we should not kill or abuse our own language buy using such language to much .

There also

agree 100%. I don't use mixed words when I interpret. In fact, I don't even use words that are very common in Vietnam such as "OK", "internet", "fax" ...etc. They're destroying our beautiful language little by little.

When I was interpreting some executives in Vietnam, I got a lot of raised eyebrows...it was like I spoke a foreign language. It's YOUR language, use it properly!

I understand that there are borrowed words like "chemises" and "camion" when we didn't have so* mi & xe ta?i...but if we have it, use it!

[dewdrops]

Interpreter..you are right..as they have been living overseas since 1975-80

nói đến nhạc thì phải nhạc tiền chiến ..nhạc sến ..hehehe còn nhạc bây giờ là nhạc mì ăn liền ..hehehe

[dewdrops]

vietnam_rogue :
Re: Loan words
Admittedly they are words that we have borrowed from other countries..but with time they have become our own words..even spelt our way..so why not use them? properly?

ie ..coffee = cà phê , beurre = bơ , salad = sà lách

[anhkhi]

Small detail : It seems that cà phê have been borrowed from the french word café, not from the english coffee which pronunciation is slightly different.

Anyway, vietnamese cà phê is much better... just a matter of gu (goût : french for taste)

[dethuong_x0x]

Salad là gỏi mà đâu phải xà lách
Xà lách = lettuce