Words for cooking, making?

[birgit Muusmann]

Hello,

Could you help me with different words for cooking, making.

Do you say "nau" banh xeo or "lam banh xeo?, " lam goi cuon" or "nau goi cuon"? "nao pho" ?Is "nao" only used for the items you cook, like "nau com"
Is there a rule????
And for tea, I found "pha tra" . Would that also be for cofee, juice and other fluid things?
Cam on rat nhieu.

[english-learner]

Hello,

Could you help me with different words for cooking, making.

Do you say "nau" banh xeo or "lam banh xeo?, " lam goi cuon" or "nau goi cuon"? "nao pho" ?Is "nao" only used for the items you cook, like "nau com"
Is there a rule????
And for tea, I found "pha tra" . Would that also be for cofee, juice and other fluid things?
Cam on rat nhieu.

If you see how "banh xeo" or "goi cuon" or "com" or "pho" is made, you immediately know how to use those words.

"nau goi cuon" is wrong. because it's made by hand not use fire or oven.
Làm gỏi cuốn is right, but better is "gói gỏi cuốn" __Leaves are used to wrap the product
Similarly, "làm bánh xèo" is slightly right, the correct words are "đổ bánh xèo" because rice flour is mixed with water and stired then poured into a small pan
Nấu cơm is right, because you have to use a pot and fire. (in modern time, electricity is used instead of fire)
"nấu phở" is ambiguous, it can be right or wrong. The exact words is "nấu một nồi phở". Because you have to use a pot and fire., you have to put bánh phở, water, meat, cow-bone,...into a pot then make a fire.
Pha trà, pha cà phê are correct words
Other juices, "làm" is used.
Ex: Tôi sẽ làm cho bạn một ly sinh tố
HOwever, "làm một ly coctail" and "pha một ly coctail" are all right.

NOte: "làm bánh tét" = "gói bánh tét", "làm bánh chưng"= "gói bánh chưng",....(leaves are used to wrap the products)
Also, "làm gỏi cuốn", "làm nem", "làm tré",...and "gói gỏi cuốn", "gói nem", "gói tré" are all right

[english-learner]

If you see how "banh xeo" or "goi cuon" or "com" or "pho" is made, you immediately know how to use those words.

"nau goi cuon" is wrong. because it's made by hand not use fire or oven.
Làm gỏi cuốn is right, but better is "gói gỏi cuốn" __Leaves are used to wrap the product
Similarly, "làm bánh xèo" is slightly right, the correct words are "đổ bánh xèo" because rice flour is mixed with water and stired then poured into a small pan
Nấu cơm is right, because you have to use a pot and fire. (in modern time, electricity is used instead of fire)
"nấu phở" is ambiguous, it can be right or wrong. The exact words is "nấu một nồi phở". Because you have to use a pot and fire., you have to put bánh phở, water, meat, cow-bone,...into a pot then make a fire.
Pha trà, pha cà phê are correct words
Other juices, "làm" is used.
Ex: Tôi sẽ làm cho bạn một ly sinh tố
HOwever, "làm một ly coctail" and "pha một ly coctail" are all right.

NOte: "làm bánh tét" = "gói bánh tét", "làm bánh chưng"= "gói bánh chưng",....(leaves are used to wrap the products)
Also, "làm gỏi cuốn", "làm nem", "làm tré",...and "gói gỏi cuốn", "gói nem", "gói tré" are all right

In addition, You should know:
Làm bánh chưng, bánh tét = gói bánh chưng, bánh tét + nấu bánh chưng bánh tét.

Before "nấu bánh chưng" or "nấu bánh tét" you have to "gói bánh chưng" or "gói bánh tét.
After wrapping bánh chưng or bánh tét (gói bánh chưng or bánh tét), you put it into a big pot with water to cook (nấu)

When a person says "Hôm nay tôi phải làm cơm đãi khách", naturally you know by context that he/she have to make a meal to serve the guests.
In this case, "làm cơm" means "làm bữa cơm"/"prepare/ make a meal" cooking several dishes

[birgit]

Thank you very much. You explained this very clear, and I think, I got a rule.
When making fx. Pho , I "nau" the bones, the meat etc., but I do not use "nau" banh pho , because this is noodles? Is it so, that everything with "banh" you do not "nau"??, but "lam" or "do" ?

And can I use " Toi nau com" gennerally as the main word not depending of if I steam, fry or grill a dish??????

[english-learner]

Thank you very much. You explained this very clear, and I think, I got a rule.
When making fx. Pho , I "nau" the bones, the meat etc., but I do not use "nau" banh pho , because this is noodles? Is it so, that everything with "banh" you do not "nau"??, but "lam" or "do" ?

And can I use " Toi nau com" gennerally as the main word not depending of if I steam, fry or grill a dish??????

Tôi nấu cơm is used, tôi làm cơm is never said, but you can say "Tôi nấu cơm chiên" or "tôi làm cơm chiên" [cơm chiên = fried rice]. Cơm chiên is a dish that comes from cơm. Cơm is used to make cơm chiên.
Tôi chiên cơm means cơm is fried by me

[dethuong_x0x]

"làm cơm" is used, not often but yes.

When you say "bạn làm cơm cho cả nhà nhân dịp năm mới", it means that "you prepare a meal for your family on New Year"

So "làm cơm" means "the whole meal" not only "steam rice"

[birgit]

Cam on rat nhieu!

[n4qnx]

Hi, I am kind of new to the community. All very interesting as I saw first hand VN food preparation outside my hotel at many small eating places all about.
Nhất tự vi sư , bán tự vi sư : This I like. i tried the Vdict google and EvTran translator on this phrase and got a very different result -something about Buddist monks and a professor which shows the shortcomings of the machine translation! No doubt it will improve with time.
I am slowly learning some Vietnamese with goal for communication with friends now and ̣for my another trip to VN.
Chào Birgit,
I worked out your thank you "Cam on rat nhieu" for the reply as Cám ơn rất nhiều. I finally figured out the microsoft on-screen VN keyboard doing this. Think i would like to buy a dedicated VN keyboard. Without using the correct special VN characters and accent marks can native readers/speakers figure out the meaning? Does written vietnamese use exclamation point?
Rod

[english-learner]

Hi, I am kind of new to the community. All very interesting as I saw first hand VN food preparation outside my hotel at many small eating places all about.
Nhất tự vi sư , bán tự vi sư : This I like. i tried the Vdict google and EvTran translator on this phrase and got a very different result -something about Buddist monks and a professor which shows the shortcomings of the machine translation! No doubt it will improve with time.
I am slowly learning some Vietnamese with goal for communication with friends now and ̣for my another trip to VN.
Chào Birgit,
I worked out your thank you "Cam on rat nhieu" for the reply as Cám ơn rất nhiều. I finally figured out the microsoft on-screen VN keyboard doing this. Think i would like to buy a dedicated VN keyboard. Without using the correct special VN characters and accent marks can native readers/speakers figure out the meaning? Does written vietnamese use exclamation point?
Rod

There is no dedicate VN keyboard. Vietnamese people use a software to transfer the symbols, characters,... into accent marks/symbols. Ex: to make the accent symbol ~, the key x is typed double. (type in telex way)
Vietnamese people, in many cases, can understand the without-accent- symbol Vietnamese. However, in some cases, the meanings is distorted and this leads to misunderstand.
THe exclamation point, of course, is used in the Vietnamese written language.

Nhất tự vi sư, bán tự vi sư is a Chinese-Vietnamese proverb
Nhất tự vi sư, bán tự vi sư is a expression/saying/proverb coming from the Confucius theorem , a Chinese great thinker, in the very old days.
It means who teaches you only a word even a half of word is still your teacher. But this is the words by words meaning/sense
The saying implies that the teachers/masters deserve to respect by everyone. They even is respected more than the king/emperor and parents. It is Confucius theorem/Confucianism.

[fija]

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